智库中外对话丨Dr. Sithembiso Bhengu：探索全球南方现代化与政党治理路径

智库中外对话

Q: Welcome to this interview with the National Academy of Development and Strategy (NADS, one of China Top Think Tanks), Renmin University of China. NADS was formally established in 2013 and selected into first batch of 25 “China Top Think Tanks” pilot units in 2015. In 2018, it ranked No.1 in the “Top 100 University Think Tanks”. With the goal of becoming “a leading new-type university think tank with Chinese characteristics”, the National Academy of Development and Strategy (NADS) at Renmin University of China strives to develop into a world-class university think tank with international influence that is deeply rooted in China, and committed to national strategies and the mission of the times. As is well known, the Chris Hani Institute is a considerably influential think tank in South Africa and even across Africa. Could you brief us on the institute?

A: The Chris Hani Institute (CHI) was established in 2005 by the South African Communist Party, SACP (in partnership with South Africa’s largest trade union federation, Congress of South African Trade Unions COSATU) as a project to institutionalise the memory and the legacy of Chris Hani. It was conceived as an independent left think- tank that could offer an alternative to the neo-liberalism that had emerged, endorsed and driven by the African National Congress（ANC） government since the adoption of a neoliberal macroeconomic policy of Growth, Employment and Redistribution（GEAR） in 1996. The CHI was established to engage in the battle of ideas, to develop alternatives to neo-liberalism, and to deepen the links between progressive intellectuals in our universities and inside the democratic movement.

Our research, educational work, and public engagement are predominantly from the Marxist-Leninist perspective, i.e., working class (working and workless people).

Types of Work

The founding objectives of the CHI work include:

· Strategic and applied research projects: The institute actively participates in the space of knowledge production through research and developing research capacity to drive left policy alternatives. CHI undertakes research and analysis on a wide range of topics related to South Africa’s transition, democracy, political economy, the national question, state and state power, poverty, and inequality. Developing research capacity is also an essential part of the work of the CHI, and is accomplished through varied memoranda of understanding with academic institutions and through the provision of scholarship and internship programmes for research to qualifying postgraduate students.

· Public engagement: Seminars, roundtables, and various colloquia on the research projects undertaken by the CHI provide avenues for public debate and engagement of working-class formations in knowledge production, on subjects including the National Minimum Wage, National Health Insurance, the National Development Plan (NDP), Macroeconomic Policy, etc.

· Worker Education: Both politically oriented and organisational worker education, as well as skills development, constitute a critical component of the work of CHI to build the capacity of trade unions and contribute to building the capacity of cadres both in the labour movement and broader working class formations. Currently, working with COSATU, and the SACP we are reconvening the Chris Hani Brigade Programme.

The institute recently completed a multi-year funded research programme on worker education. The programme had three key activity streams, viz. research capacity development, through research internships to MA students; strategic research projects, of which the anchor project is framed on articulating worker education to worker control; lastly, research dissemination and public engagement through publications, seminars, workshops, etc.

问：欢迎接受中国人民大学国家发展与战略研究院（国家高端智库，简称人大国发院）的专访。人大国发院成立于2013年，2015年入选全国首批“国家高端智库”建设试点单位，并入选全球智库百强。2018年在“中国大学智库机构百强排行榜”中名列第一。人大国发院以“中国特色新型高校智库的引领者”为目标，扎根中国大地，坚守国家战略，秉承时代使命，致力于建设成为具有全球影响力的世界一流大学智库。众所周知，克里斯·哈尼研究所是南非乃至非洲颇具影响力的智库，能否请您简要介绍一下贵所的使命与定位？

答：克里斯·哈尼研究所（CHI）成立于2005年，由南非共产党（SACP）与南非最大的工会联合会——南非工会大会（COSATU）联合创建，旨在将克里斯·哈尼的记忆与精神遗产制度化。最初构想是建立一个独立的左翼智库，为非洲人国民大会（ANC，简称非国大）政府自1996年采纳新自由主义宏观经济政策“增长、就业和再分配计划”（Growth, Employment and Redistribution, GEAR）以来，支持并推行新自由主义替代方案。克里斯·哈尼研究所致力于思想理论与政策研究，发展新自由主义的替代路径，以及深化国内大学进步知识分子与民主运动内部之间的联系。

我们的研究、教育工作以及公众参与，主要从马克思列宁主义视角出发，即立足工人阶级（包括在职与失业群体）。

工作类型

克里斯·哈尼研究所的工作目标是：

· 战略与应用研究项目：研究所通过开展研究和培养研究能力，积极参与知识生产领域，以推动左翼政策替代方案。研究所致力于围绕与南非转型、民主、政治经济、民族问题、国家与政权、贫困及不平等相关的广泛议题开展研究与分析。培养研究能力也是研究所工作的重要组成部分，这一目标通过与学术机构签订各类谅解备忘录，以及为符合条件的研究生提供研究奖学金和实习机会来实现。

· 公众参与：围绕研究所开展的研究项目，通过举办研讨会、圆桌会议及各类学术讨论会，为公众辩论以及工人阶级组织参与知识生产提供了渠道，所涉议题涵盖国家最低工资、国家医疗保险、国家发展计划（NDP）、宏观经济政策等。

· 工人教育：以政治为导向的工人教育、组织层面的工人教育以及技能发展，是研究所工作的关键组成部分，旨在提升工会的能力，并为劳工运动及更广泛的工人阶级组织培养干部能力。目前，我们正与南非工会大会（COSATU）和南非共产党（SACP）合作，重新启动“克里斯·哈尼先锋计划”（Chris Hani Brigade Programme）。

我们近期完成了一项为期多年的工人教育研究项目。该项目主要涉及三个活动板块：一是研究能力建设，为硕士研究生提供研究实习机会；二是战略研究项目，其中旗舰项目聚焦于将工人教育与工人管理相衔接；三是研究成果传播与公众参与，通过出版物、研讨会、工作坊等形式开展。

Q: The Chris Hani Institute serves as an important theoretical communication and ideological leadership platform for the SACP. How do you define the role of the institute in South Africa's social and political life? What's your take on the value of ideological exchange and think tank cooperation between China and South Africa?

A: The institute, as a research think-tank and custodian for political and ideological education, has had and continues to play a significant role in the ideological battle of ideas in South Africa, especially in undertaking the important task of providing ideological and political education to organized workers of COSATU and its affiliates’ trade unions. Due to the continued contested nature of our politics, the institute and its work of engaging both in the ideological work, as well as relations with academic institutions, remain significant to remain an important voice of the working class.

This is why the institute needs to establish, strengthen, and bolster our relations, cooperation, and collaboration with like-minded Marxist institutions and think-tanks Institute of World Political Parties associated with the IDCPC have gained valuable experience in research, policy, and ideological work, and have developed a rigorous work style. It has contributed wisdom and strength to the Communist Party of China (CPC) in building socialism with Chinese characteristics in the new era and advancing modernization, while also providing theoretical support. These efforts have led to remarkable development achievements led by the Chinese people. Our cooperation will enable mutual learning through exchanges, expand research scope, and provide valuable lessons of our engagement with Marxist theory in the concrete conditions of our respective countries, responding to our specific contradictions.

问：克里斯·哈尼研究所是南非共产党重要的理论传播与思想引领平台。您如何评价贵所在南非社会政治生活中的作用？您如何看待中南两国在思想交流与智库合作方面的价值？

答：作为研究型智库和政治思想教育的守护者，克里斯·哈尼研究所在南非意识形态工作中一直发挥重要作用，尤其是承担着为南非工会大会及其附属工会的有组织工人提供政治思想教育的重任。由于我们的政治格局仍存在持续性的争议与博弈，研究所及我们所开展的思想理论工作以及与学术机构的关系建设，对于保持工人阶级重要发声的地位仍然至关重要。

正因如此，研究所需要建立、加强并巩固与志同道合的马克思主义机构和智库之间的关系、合作与协作。中共中央对外联络部世界政党研究所在研究、政策和意识形态工作中积累了宝贵经验，形成了严谨作风，为中国共产党建设新时代中国特色社会主义和推动现代化贡献了智慧和力量，这些进展正带来由中国人民引领的令人瞩目的成就。我们的合作将通过交流实现互学互鉴，拓展研究范围，并为我们基于本国国情开展马克思主义理论实践提供宝贵经验。

Q:  China has successfully advanced the adaption of Marxism to the Chinese context and the needs of the times and stays committed to integrating the basic tenets of Marxism with China's specific realities and fine traditional culture. How do you view the global contribution of the “Two Integrations” theory?

A: The notion of the “two integrations” represents a pivotal development in the evolution of Marxism within the context of contemporary China. This integration aims to reconcile the fundamental principles of Marxism with the unique realities and traditional cultural characteristics of China. General Secretary Xi Jinping pointed out at the Symposium on Cultural Inheritance and Development: “It is natural to integrate the basic tenets of Marxism with China's specific realities and fine traditional culture if we are to create and develop socialism with Chinese characteristics on the basis of the profound Chinese civilization of more than 5,000 years. ”

In this sense, two integrations represent a profound ideology that seeks to harmonize socio-economic growth with cultural enrichment within the Chinese context. The principles of Two Integrations, fusing of cultural policies to promote cultural prosperity, particularly in an era characterized by rapid globalization and cultural exchange. The two integrations provide mechanisms for safeguarding and perpetuating national cultural heritage and the fostering of mutual learning among civilizations.

问：中国成功推进了马克思主义中国化时代化，坚持把马克思主义基本原理同中国具体实际相结合、同中华优秀传统文化相结合。您如何看待“两个结合”理论的全球贡献？

答：“两个结合”理论代表了马克思主义在当代中国语境下演进中的一项重大发展。这种结合旨在将马克思主义基本原理同优秀传统文化特征有机统一起来。习近平主席在文化传承发展座谈会上指出：“在五千多年中华文明深厚基础上开辟和发展中国特色社会主义，把马克思主义基本原理同中国具体实际、同中华优秀传统文化相结合是必由之路。”

从这个意义上说，“两个结合”代表了一种深刻的思想理念，致力于在中国语境下实现社会经济发展与文化繁荣的和谐统一。“两个结合”理念融合了促进文化繁荣的文化政策，在当今全球化快速发展与文化交流日益密切的时代尤为重要。“两个结合”为维护和传承民族文化遗产、推动不同文明间的互学互鉴提供了机制保障。

Q:The Communist Party of China (CPC) has long maintained high-level inter-Party exchanges with the ANC and SACP. What aspects of China's experience in Party governance, people-centered development philosophy, long-term strategic planning, and self-reform mechanisms do you think are most worthy of being drawn upon by South Africa in Party building and by the Global South in state governance?

A:The CPC governance experience in the era of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for the New Era has been consequential, bringing accelerated development and modernization in the economy, governance, and cultural integration across all of China. It represents a continuum of China’s long path of opening up and whole modernization, which China has been progressively undertaking since 1978. One of the observable key lessons has been the consistent ability of the Chinese reform to sustain improvement in Party governance, people-centered development, and long-term planning. In the 14 years since the 18th CPC Central Committee, with the adoption o fXi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era, the CPC has reintroduced in significant ways the principle of self-governance. Improving Party governance, with the Eight-Point Regulation, the CPC has been improving the significant aspect of self-governance, ensuring Party and government leaders and representatives exemplify lifestyle and practices that build trust. The South African revolution has a lot to learn from these concrete regulatory and institutional mechanisms the CPC has consistently applied to improve governance, maintain levels of accountability of leaders and representatives deployed both in the CPC and in the state to serve the people, as well as ensure competence to deliver outcomes, in line with China’s long-term goals of modernization and progress.

问：中国共产党与非国大及南非共产党一直保持着高水平的党际交往。您认为，中国在政党治理、以人民为中心长期战略规划以及自我革新机制等方面的哪些经验，值得南非在政党建设过程中，以及全球南方国家在国家治理过程中借鉴和参考？

答：在中国特色社会主义新时代，中国共产党的治理经验影响深远，推动了全国经济、治理及文化融合的加速发展与现代化进程。它代表着中国自1978年以来推进的改革开放和现代化征程的延续。其中值得关注的一条重要经验是，中国改革始终能够持续推动党的建设、以人为本的发展理念以及长远规划的持续完善。中国共产党第十八次代表大会以来的十四年间，随着习近平新时代中国特色社会主义思想的确立，中国共产党进一步强化了自我革命和全面从严治党的制度机制。通过贯彻落实中央八项规定精神来改进党的建设，中国共产党持续强化自我治理，确保党政领导干部和代表以身作则，在生活方式和工作作风上树立典范，从而增进人民信任。南非改革可以从中国共产党这些持续运用、旨在改进治理的具体制度机制中汲取许多经验。这些机制包括：保持党政领导干部和代表为人民服务的责任担当水平，以及确保有能力朝着中国现代化与发展的长期目标作出实绩。

Q:How do you define the common mission of the Global South? Faced with unilateralism, protectionism, and bloc confrontation, how can China, South Africa, and the wider African continent work together to promote a multipolar world and inclusive economic globalization, and build an all-weather China-Africa community with a shared future for the new era? How can Chinese modernization enhance the Global South’s voice and promote governance reform? And how can platforms such as BRICS, FOCAC, and the China-South Africa Comprehensive Strategic Partnership be leveraged to increase the Global South’s influence and drive governance transformation?

A: There are already existing global South mechanisms, which Africa-China could and should optimize. First, the BRICS+ mechanism provides both solidarity and institutional support, and a funding framework to ensure greater cooperation and mutually beneficial arrangements, first between South Africa and China, and broadly between Africa as a regional block and China. The Forum on China-Africa Cooperation (FOCAC) is another avenue to bolster Africa-China mutual (win-win) developments.

President Xi Jinping’s four global initiatives, namely, Global Development Initiative (GDI), Global Security Initiative (GSI), Global Civilization Initiative (GCI), and Global Governance Initiative (GGI) are a major contributing factor to building foundations for multipolar global relations and a significant shift from unipolarity dominated by Western hegemony. These, in the space of development and trade, in the areas of global security, culture, and governance, are providing a global basis, especially for the global South to pursue their respective modernization and development trajectory, and possibilities for each region to identify avenues for win-win solutions.

As outlined above, both global South initiatives like BRICS+ and the Africa-China FOCAC provide platforms for multipolarity, which is significant, first for emphasizing that every country, every region, even those in the global South, has a valuable history, experience from which they should draw to identify their own development trajectory. FOCAC provides trade and institutional/funding frameworks to support Africa’s development, through trade with China, currently the biggest trading partner on the continent. Key in this is the need for African countries, as nation states, but also as regional trading zones, to develop clear national and regional core interests, medium to long-term development goals.

问：您如何来定义全球南方的共同使命？面对单边主义、保护主义、阵营对抗等，中国、南非及广大非洲国家如何推动多极世界与包容性的经济全球化，构建新时代全天候中非命运共同体？中国式现代化如何提升全球南方的话语权、推动治理体系变革？金砖合作、中非合作论坛、中南全面战略伙伴关系等平台又如何助力增强全球南方的影响力、推动治理转型？

答：对于业已存在的全球南方机制，非中双方可以而且应当加以优化利用。首先，“金砖+”机制既提供了团结与制度支持，也提供了一个资金框架，确保更广泛的合作互利，先是南非与中国之间，进而扩展至非洲作为一个区域集团与中国的合作。中非合作论坛（FOCAC）是促进中非互惠互利（双赢）发展的另一重要途径。

习近平主席提出的四大全球倡议，即全球发展倡议（GDI）、全球安全倡议(GSI)、全球文明倡议(GCI)、全球治理倡议(GGI)，是构筑世界多极化全球关系根基的重要推动因素，也是推动从西方霸权主导的单极格局实现重大转变的关键力量。这些倡议覆盖发展、贸易、全球安全、文化以及治理等领域，提供了一个全球性基础支撑，特别是为全球南方国家推进各自的现代化与发展道路，并为各地区探寻互利共赢的解决途径创造了可能。

如上所述，“金砖+”、中非合作论坛等全球南方倡议为推动世界多极化提供了平台。这一点意义重大，首要是它强调每个国家、每个地区，包括全球南方国家，都拥有宝贵的历史和经验，应当从中汲取养分，以确定自身的发展道路。中非合作论坛通过与作为非洲大陆目前最大的贸易伙伴国的中国开展贸易往来，提供贸易、制度和资金框架来支持非洲的发展。关键在于非洲国家，既作为民族国家，也作为区域贸易区，需要制定明确的国家和区域核心利益，以及中长期发展目标。

Q: As the world's largest developing country and a key member of the Global South, China has pioneered a Chinese path to the modernization of state governance, established a Chinese model of government governance, and created Chinese experience in social governance, thereby contributing valuable Chinese wisdom and solutions to Global South nations. What do you think are the most enlightening theoretical and practical implications of Chinese modernization for South Africa and the broader continent?

A: First, China’s long-term industrial planning approach and government directives have been central in overseeing China’s modernization. China has also consistently applied the scientific method, through its five-year plans, observing what works, but equally acknowledging what doesn’t work, improving, and adapting. The capacity of the state, first in driving state-led planning, state-led development, and industrialisation. What then are the key lessons? Build the capacity of the state, state-led industrial planning, including defining national and even regional development priorities and goals for South Africa and Southern African Development Community （SADC）.

问：作为世界上最大的发展中国家和全球南方的重要成员，中国开辟了中国式国家治理现代化道路，形成了中国政府治理模式，创造了中国社会治理经验，为全球南方国家贡献了宝贵的中国智慧和中国方案。您认为中国式现代化对南非乃至整个非洲大陆最具启发性的理论与实践意义是什么？

答：首先，中国的长期产业规划路径和政府指令在其现代化进程中发挥了核心作用。中国通过其五年规划，一贯运用科学方法，既观察哪些做法行之有效，也同样认识到哪些行不通，进而持续改进和调整。国家能力首先体现在推动国家主导的规划、国家主导的发展以及工业化方面。那么，关键启示是什么？那就是建设国家能力，实行国家主导的产业规划，包括为南非及南部非洲发展共同体（SADC）确定国家及区域发展重点与目标。

Q: Chinese modernization has dispelled the myth that "modernization equals Westernization", offering the Global South a new path to non-dependent, autonomous and peaceful development. Countries in the Global South are rethinking their development paths, governance models, and forms of civilization. How do you perceive the contribution of Chinese modernization to reshaping global perspectives on development, modernization, and civilization? What role would this play in assisting Global South nations in breaking free from the monopoly of Western discourse?

A: The Global Civilization Initiative introduced by President Xi Jinping advocates for multipolarity in this important area of value orientation, away from the long-standing tendency to treat Western norms and development experiences as universally applicable, sometimes at the expense of the histories and cultural traditions of other societies, forcing the rest of the world to jettison our own histories of civilization and culture. For instance, the Sub-Saharan region in Africa has a common theme, value orientation for generations based on ‘Ubuntu’. Such value orientation, when embracing President Xi’s GCI, could become oriented into our economic, development, and industrial modelling. From China’s experience, we should also explore variable options of South-to-South cooperation and win-win possibilities. These can start at regional integration, development and trade, and develop to possibilities for developing regional and continental arrangements, from which regional and continental comparative advantage could be optimized.

问：中国式现代化打破了“现代化=西方化”的迷思，为全球南方开辟了一条非依附性、自主与和平发展的新路径。全球南方国家正在重新思考自身的发展道路、治理模式和文明形态。您如何看待中国式现代化对重塑全球发展观、现代化观与文明观的贡献？这对帮助全球南方国家摆脱西方话语垄断发挥了怎样的作用？

答：习近平主席提出的“全球文明倡议”，倡导在价值取向这一重要领域实现多极化，摒弃了长久以来将西方规范作为普世标准而单极强加的做法，这种做法曾迫使世界其他地区抛弃自身的文明史与文化传统。例如，撒哈拉以南非洲地区世世代代都基于“乌班图”（Ubuntu）思想拥有共同的价值取向主题。这种价值取向在与习近平主席的“全球文明倡议”相结合后，可以融入我们的经济、发展和产业模式之中。从中国的经验出发，我们还应当探索南南合作的不同选择方案以及共赢的可能性。这些合作可以从区域一体化、区域发展与贸易起步，进而发展推动建立区域性和大陆性计划，进而优化比较优势。

Q: Not long ago, China successfully convened the 2026 Two Sessions, where the country adopted its national 15th Five-Year Plan, charting the course for Chinese modernization and building China into a great modern socialist country. Can I have your comment on the significance of China's 15th Five-Year Plan to its modernization drive? How do you view the logic behind "China's governance" and its prospects through China's 15th Five-Year Plan?

A: China’s Five-year Plans have been significant, especially because they enable the CPC and Chinese government to monitor and evaluate both the progress made in their long-term objectives of modernization, but also to evaluate and identify opportunities for adjustment in the short to medium-term, enabling China to augment plans and progra ms that produce positive results, but equally jettison and abandon programs that fail. This Five-Year Plan process signifies the seriousness of scientific socialism (or Marxism as a scientific method), which is applied by the CPC. In this sense, programmes are not implemented purely based on sentiments but are subjected to rigorous interrogation.

问：不久前，中国成功召开了2026年全国两会，通过了国家“十五五”规划，为中国式现代化和全面建成社会主义现代化强国擘画了蓝图。您如何评价中国“十五五”规划对中国现代化进程的意义？透过中国“十五五”规划，您如何看待“中国之治”的逻辑及其前景？

答：中国的“五年规划”具有重要意义，尤其因为它使中国共产党和中国政府能够监测和评估现代化长期目标所取得的进展，也能够评估并识别中短期调整的机会，从而能够强化产生积极成果的计划和方案，同时也能摒弃那些行不通的项目。这一五年规划进程体现了科学社会主义（或马克思主义作为科学方法）的严肃性，也是中国共产党实际运用的方法。从这个意义上说，各项方案的实施并非纯粹基于主观意愿，而是要经过严格的检验与审视。

Q: In recent year, China and South Africa have deepened cooperation in traditional sectors such as agriculture, health, medicine, and infrastructure construction，and now more focusing on key areas including the digital economy, new energy, and artificial intelligence, advancing collaboration to foster new quality productive forces. What do you think are the priority areas of cooperation that would most benefit people's livelihoods, job creation, and independent development in South Africa? How should we promote further alignment between China's Belt and Road Initiative and South Africa's Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan to facilitate technology transfer, the sustained development of industries, and capacity building, and to benefit the local community?

A: One of the important priorities in South Africa-China cooperation is developing a structural industrial planning programme. Such arrangements must be framed on investment that includes value addition in all forms of investment in industrial (mining) arrangements. It should also be anchored in measurable technological and skills transfer. A key lesson from China’s own experience of industrialisation, in the area of opening up, leading to the development of Special Economic Zones and Special Industrial Zones, was comprehensive industrial planning. Our cooperation should ensure that South Africa’s capability and technical capacity are developed, and the training of engineering capacity. This cooperation must become a framework for South Africa’s industrialisation strategy and plan, ensuring that this cooperation and other forms of cooperation build towards South Africa’s agenda for full industrialisation and modernisation.

问：近年来，中国同南非深化在农业、卫生、医学和基础设施建设等传统领域合作，聚焦数字经济、新能源、人工智能等关键领域，推进新质生产力发展合作。您认为，哪些优先合作领域最能惠及南非的民生、就业和自主发展？我们应如何推动共建中国的“一带一路”倡议同南非的“经济重建与复苏计划”进一步对接，促进技术转让、产业持续发展和能力建设，并惠及当地社区？

答：中南合作的重要优先事项之一是制定结构性的产业规划方案。此类计划必须以投资为基础，涵盖对工业（矿业）领域各类投资中的增值环节。同时，还应以可衡量的技术转让和技能转移为依托。中国自身工业化经验在对外开放领域的一个重要启示是，全面产业规划对发展经济特区和特别工业区至关重要。我们的合作应确保南非的能力与技术潜力得到发展，并注重工程能力的培养。这种合作必须成为南非工业化战略与规划的框架，确保该合作及其他形式的合作共同致力于推动南非实现全面工业化与现代化议程。

Q: The West has long monopolized development theories and modernization narratives. In which aspects do you think are efforts needed to ensure that China's ideas, theories and solutions are better received in Africa and around the world? As the head of a think tank, how do you think we can better interpret China's voice, theories and ideas to Africa? How should we bolster the Global South's voice?

A: China has already been making sufficient progress in communicating its ideas on key topics, namely, a multipolar worldview, a win-win approach, and mutual beneficial collaboration. These could be further strengthened by extending exchange mechanisms, especially of leaders of relevant government, business, and community stakeholders in various countries, trading regions on the continent. More print publications in the languages of local communities on the work, impact of Chinese investment, and cooperation in various communities would also enhance impact.

问：长期以来，西方垄断着发展理论和现代化叙事。您认为，为确保非洲及世界其他地区更好地接纳中国的理念、理论和方案，需要在哪些方面作出努力？作为智库负责人，您认为我们应如何更好地向非洲阐释中国声音、中国理论和中国思想？我们应如何增强全球南方话语权？

答：中国在阐述自身关于世界多极化格局、共赢理念和互利合作等关键议题的主张方面取得了长足的进展。通过拓展交流机制，特别是各国政府、企业和社区相关利益方以及非洲大陆各贸易区域的领导人之间的交流机制，可以进一步加强这些主张的传播。此外，更多出版使用当地社区语言、关于中国投资影响、工作成效以及各社区合作情况的印刷出版物，也将有助于提升影响力。

Q：As the first new-style formal university established by the CPC, RUC has been forging ahead and continues to deepen research and exchanges on governance experience and build platforms for global governance cooperation. As a Co-Chair Institution of the China Council for BRICS Think-Tank Cooperation, a co-founding member of the Global South Think Tank Cooperation Alliance, and Co-Chair Institution of the Coalition of World Political Party Think Tanks, RUC is committed to becoming a facilitator of solidarity and cooperation among Global South nations, a driver of development and revitalization, and a pioneer in people-to-people exchanges, thus contributing wisdom and strength to building a community with a shared future for mankind and advancing the modernization of human society. In which specific areas do you think the Chris Hani Institute and RUC can cooperate in the future? How could we improve research on the governance capacity of political parties to promote the modernization of the Global South and contribute think-tank wisdom to the achievement of the Sustainable Development Goals and the modernization of political parties in the Global South?

A: As the research think-tank of the SACP, our key interests revolve around a few components, namely: 1) joint research or research collaboration. As CHI we have participated in both the World Political Parties Think-Tank Forum and the Tongzhou Global Development Forum, hosted by Renmin University of China. We have a keen interest in joint research on the history of both our parties, Marxism and Party discipline. 2) We are also interested in academic and student exchanges, through which professors from both South Africa and China can make exchange visits, undertake guest lectures, and jointly supervise students in specific topics of interests. 3) We are interested in political/ideological education collaboration.

In the current context, the rigorous study and research on governance capacity is significant for the SACP, in light of the current position of the SACP to contest local government elections independently. The institute would have great interest in exchanging research instruments and resources for building capacity in the Party and monitoring mechanisms to measure governance capacity of all Party deployees at municipal levels of government. Collaborative work in training and capacitation of deployees, as well as in developing monitoring and evaluation tools/instruments for Party deployees in the local sphere of governance.

问：中国人民大学作为中国共产党创办的第一所新型正规大学，持续深化治理经验的研究和交流，搭建全球治理合作平台。作为金砖国家智库合作中方理事会共同理事长单位，及“全球南方”智库合作联盟共同发起单位，世界政党智库合作联盟共同理事长单位，中国人民大学致力成为“全球南方”团结合作的促进者、发展振兴的推动者、人文交流的先行者，为构建人类命运共同体、推动人类现代化进程贡献智慧与力量。您认为克里斯·哈尼研究所与中国人民大学未来可以在哪些具体领域深化合作？我们应如何加强政党治理能力研究，以推动全球南方的现代化，并为实现可持续发展目标和全球南方政党现代化贡献智库智慧？

答：作为南非共产党的研究型智库，我们的核心关切集中在以下几个方面：1）联合研究或研究协作。我们参加了“世界政党政治学术研讨会”和中国人民大学主办的“通州·全球发展论坛”。我们对围绕两党历史、马克思主义和党纪开展联合研究抱有浓厚兴趣。2）我们也有意开展学术与师生交流。借此，南非与中国的教授可进行互访、举办客座讲座，并在共同感兴趣的特定课题上联合指导学生。3）我们有意在政治思想教育方面开展合作。

在当前形势下，考虑到南非共产党决定独立参加地方政府选举，围绕治理能力的研习与研究对南非共产党而言具有重要意义。本所对于交流研究方法与资源具有浓厚兴趣，这些资源可用于党的能力建设，以及建立衡量地方政府中党内履职人员治理能力的监测机制。此外，我们也在履职人员培训与能力提升方面开展协作，为地方治理领域中的党内履职人员开发监测与评估工具方面开展合作抱有浓厚兴趣。

Q: To conclude, please express your wishes for China-South Africa relations, the China-Africa community with a shared future, and the development of the Global South in three sentences.

A:The Chris Hani Institute, as a research think-tank of the SACP, appreciates the comradely relations it shares with the auspicious RUC, and our efforts to strengthen South Africa-China cooperation and broadly, Africa-China community for a shared future of all our peoples.

问：请您用三句话表达对中南关系、中非命运共同体以及全球南方发展的祝愿。

答：克里斯·哈尼研究所作为南非共产党的研究型智库，非常珍视与中国人民大学之间的友好关系。我们共同致力于加强中南合作，广泛推动构建中非命运共同体，惠及我们国家人民的共同未来。

（专家观点仅为学术探讨与交流，不代表任何官方立场或观点）感谢中国人民大学党委宣传部、中国人民大学当代政党研究平台等相关专家的学术指导意见

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